{"id":9132,"date":"2025-01-28T12:10:37","date_gmt":"2025-01-28T12:10:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/?p=9132"},"modified":"2025-02-03T15:52:00","modified_gmt":"2025-02-03T15:52:00","slug":"fiat-ducato-244-indikator-hitro-utripa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/","title":{"rendered":"Fiat Ducato 244 - Indikator hitro utripa"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_83 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Vsebina<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/#Schaltplan\" >Shema vezja<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/#Fehlersuche\" >Odpravljanje te\u017eav<\/a><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-3' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/#Bedienteil_demontieren\" >Demonta\u017ea nadzorne plo\u0161\u010de<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/#Relais-Check_%E2%80%93_zur_Sicherheit\" >Preverjanje relejev - za varnost<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/#Verkabelung\" >O\u017ei\u010denje<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/#Losung_%E2%80%93_bei_Plus-Problem\" >Re\u0161itev - za problem plus<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-7\" href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/#Losung_%E2%80%93_bei_Masse-Problem\" >Re\u0161itev - za masni problem<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">\u010cas branja<\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 4<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minute<\/span><\/span>\n<p>Indikator na vozilu Fiat Ducato 244 nenadoma hitro utripa. To je znak, da je odpovedala kontrolna \u017earnica. Zato morda mislite, da je bila \u017earnica zamenjana in to je vse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Murphy ima na zalogi \u0161e druge mo\u017ene vzroke, zato se domnevno okvarjena \u017earnica izka\u017ee za celo. Veliko vpra\u0161anje: kaj zdaj?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Schaltplan\"><\/span>Shema vezja<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>V grobem se indikator spro\u017ei z ro\u010dico indikatorja na volanu. Rele indikatorja vklaplja in izklaplja pripadajo\u010de kontrolne svetilke z zakonsko predpisano frekvenco 1,5 Hz, kar ustreza 90 svetlobnim signalom na minuto, ter smerni kazalnik v pilotski kabini.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Elektronsko krmiljenje v releju je zasnovano tako, da je treba odvzeti dolo\u010den tok, ki je analogen mo\u010di svetilke. \u010ce je tok manj\u0161i, to pomeni okvaro \u017earnice in frekvenca preklapljanja se podvoji.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lahko je okvarjen tudi rele za utripanje, vendar je to zelo redko in je potem opazno tudi pri popolni okvari.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Preu\u010devanje sheme vezja zagotavlja informacije o povezavah in o tem, kateri kabli (povezave) so lahko vzrok:<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"676\" src=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pasted-Graphic-1-1024x676.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9133\" srcset=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pasted-Graphic-1-1024x676.png 1024w, https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pasted-Graphic-1-1536x1013.png 1536w, https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pasted-Graphic-1-2048x1351.png 2048w, https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pasted-Graphic-1-18x12.png 18w, https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pasted-Graphic-1-300x198.png 300w, https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Pasted-Graphic-1-768x507.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Elektri\u010dna shema - Zunanja razsvetljava fiat Ducato 244<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>V tem primeru je odpovedal levi sprednji indikator (F010). Napaja se s plusom prek kabla na priklju\u010dku 6 krmilne enote H090 prek priklju\u010dka B04.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(F011) predstavlja desni sprednji smernik, (F020 \/ F021) sprednje stranske smernike in (F030 \/ F031) ustrezno zadnje smernike. (E050) so smerni kazalniki, vgrajeni v merilnik hitrosti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Fehlersuche\"><\/span>Odpravljanje te\u017eav<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Bedienteil_demontieren\"><\/span>Demonta\u017ea nadzorne plo\u0161\u010de<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Ko ste odstranili nadzorno plo\u0161\u010do (dva vijaka na spodnjem robu pokrova dr\u017eita pokrov na podkonstrukciji), odstranite bel, \u0161irok vti\u010d iz zadnje desne vti\u010dnice, ko odklenete majhne, sredinsko razporejene pritrdilne zanke, poi\u0161\u010dite belo-ro\u017enato (SB - <strong>b<\/strong>ianco ro<strong>s<\/strong>a) ozna\u010den kabel na priklju\u010dku 6.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"269\" height=\"74\" src=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Stecker_Blinker_rosa.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-9148\" srcset=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Stecker_Blinker_rosa.png 269w, https:\/\/csiag.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Stecker_Blinker_rosa-18x5.png 18w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 269px) 100vw, 269px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Relais-Check_%E2%80%93_zur_Sicherheit\"><\/span>Preverjanje relejev - za varnost<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Vzporedno s kablom priklju\u010dite drug kabel z ustrezno odrezanim koncem in drugi, prav tako ustrezno odrezani konec ovijete okoli podstavka 21W \u017earnice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Drugi kabel priklju\u010dite na to\u010dko na karoseriji (ozemljitev), vklopite v\u017eig in aktivirajte levi indikator (v tem primeru).<br>Rele zdaj utripa z dvojno frekvenco. Ko priklju\u010dite ozemljitveni kabel na prosti drog na dnu dr\u017eala \u017earnice, bo frekvenca ustrezala obi\u010dajni frekvenci in \u017earnica se bo pravo\u010dasno pri\u017egala.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S tem najprej doka\u017eete, da rele za utripanje dejansko zagotavlja pravilno pozitivno napetost na priklju\u010dku.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Verkabelung\"><\/span>O\u017ei\u010denje<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Edini preostali vzroki so povezave kabla plus (SB) s svetilko in od svetilke do zemlje (N - <strong>n<\/strong>ero).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fiat Ducato 244 je znan po tem, da ima po dolo\u010deni starosti mno\u017ei\u010dne te\u017eave: V\u010dasih se zdi, da se zaradi oksidacije izgubijo ozemljitveni priklju\u010dki. To opazite, ker \"to\" v\u010dasih deluje, v\u010dasih ne in na neki to\u010dki popolnoma odpove. To\u010dno tako kot tukaj.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Losung_%E2%80%93_bei_Plus-Problem\"><\/span>Re\u0161itev - za problem plus<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>V redkih primerih pa se na pozitivnem vodniku (SB) pretrga kabel. V tem primeru je edina re\u0161itev potegniti nov kabel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>V predelni steni med motornim prostorom in notranjostjo je zgoraj desno, gledano z motorja, ve\u010d gumijastih \u010depov, od katerih nekateri \u017ee slu\u017eijo kot kabelske pu\u0161e. Poi\u0161\u010dite tistega z najni\u017ejo zasedenostjo in vanj nataknite (togo) 1,5 mm<sup>2<\/sup> potisnite ozemljitveno \u017eico (rumeno-zeleno) skozi njo in jo potisnite \u010dim bolj navznoter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Poi\u0161\u010dite ga od znotraj in ga potegnite do sredinske konzole, kjer je dodatna armaturna plo\u0161\u010da s stikalom za nevarnostno opozarjanje. Nanjo prilepite dvojno \u017eico, tesno ovito z izolacijskim trakom v dol\u017eini pribli\u017eno 6 cm, da jo z zunanje strani potegnete do smernika.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vti\u010dnico indikatorja in \u017earnico z levim obratom odklenite iz vti\u010dnice ohi\u0161ja indikatorja in jo odstranite. Iz vti\u010dnice odstranite originalni kabel. Cev iz PVC, ki obdaja kabel, se razpre na pribli\u017eno 8 cm. Kable lahko zdaj nekoliko izvle\u010dete. Kmalu za koncem re\u017ee odre\u017eite enega od obeh kablov, drugega pa pribli\u017eno 2 cm prej. Konca obeh kablov v PVC cevi tesno ovijemo z izolacijskim trakom, da se konca ne dotikata drug drugega. PVC-vodnik je nato prav tako v celoti zavarovan z izolacijskim trakom, da se prepre\u010di vdor vlage. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dva konca, ki sta odrezana in odrezana na pribli\u017eno 5 mm, se skupaj z dvema kabelskima u\u0161escema na drugem koncu kabla spajkata z dvojno pleteno \u017eico, katere konca sta prav tako odrezana z 2 cm zamikom in odrezana na pribli\u017eno 5 mm, tako da je dol\u017eina kabla na koncu spet enaka.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Odklopite belo-ro\u017enati kabel za levi smernik iz zgoraj navedenega vti\u010da na dodatni armaturni plo\u0161\u010di in ga priklju\u010dite na kabel z dvojno pleteno \u017eico. Ni pomembno, ali gre za plus ali minus \u017eico, saj kontrolna lu\u010dka (ne gre za LED!) deluje neodvisno od polarnosti. Kabel, ki je \u0161e vedno prost, pove\u017eite z ozemljitvijo, bodisi z obstoje\u010dim ozemljitvenim kablom bodisi s karoserijo prek vija\u010dnega priklju\u010dka.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Losung_%E2%80%93_bei_Masse-Problem\"><\/span>Re\u0161itev - za masni problem<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Na sami svetilki, vsaj pri modelu Flair 7100 na \u0161asiji Ducato, so kabli razli\u010dnih barv: sive (zemlja) in sivo-rde\u010de (plus). Drugi kabel (o,75 mm<sup>2<\/sup>) se vzporedno pove\u017ee s sivim kablom in priklju\u010di na novo ozemljitveno to\u010dko (predhodno preverite z meritvami!). In potem - spet utripa!<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">\u010cas branja<\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 4<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minute<\/span><\/span>Beim Fiat Ducato 244 blinkt der Blinker pl\u00f6tzlich schnell. Ein Zeichen daf\u00fcr, dass eine Blinkerbirne ausgefallen ist. Man k\u00f6nnte also meinen, Birne gewechselt und gut. Murphy hat noch andere m\u00f6gliche Ursachen auf Lager und so stellt sich die vermeintlich defekte Birne als ganz heraus. Gro\u00dfes Fragezeichen: und nun? Schaltplan Grob gesagt, wird der Blinker \u00fcber&hellip;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/blog\/2025\/01\/28\/fiat-ducato-244-blinker-blinkt-schnell\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Preberi ve\u010d \"<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Fiat Ducato 244 - Indikator hitro utripa<\/span><\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","neve_meta_sidebar":"","neve_meta_container":"","neve_meta_enable_content_width":"","neve_meta_content_width":0,"neve_meta_title_alignment":"","neve_meta_author_avatar":"","neve_post_elements_order":"","neve_meta_disable_header":"","neve_meta_disable_footer":"","neve_meta_disable_title":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[2588],"tags":[4470,4474,4472,4473,4471,2592,4469,712,4478,4479,4477,4476,4480,4475,1384,1280,2609],"class_list":["post-9132","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-kfz-technik","tag-blinker","tag-blinker-relais","tag-blinkerhebel","tag-blinkerrelais","tag-blinkt-schnell","tag-ducato-244","tag-fiat-ducato-244","tag-masse","tag-masse-kontakt","tag-masse-problem","tag-masse-verbindung","tag-massekontakt","tag-massepunkt","tag-masseverbindung","tag-messgeraet","tag-relais","tag-schaltplan"],"modified_by":"Achim Goerner","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9132","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9132"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9132\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9132"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9132"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/csiag.eu\/sl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9132"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}